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megwrites ([personal profile] megwrites) wrote2010-03-26 11:24
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Genre Talk: Urban Fantasy

I've been trying to make this post for, like, a week now. I keep deleting it and re-writing it because I haven't felt I've really articulated my opinions as well as I want to.

But I think I've gotten close with this post.

I read and write urban fantasy. The draft I'm trying to get through at the moment is urban fantasy (complete with vampires!). But if any of you have followed my reviews, you'll see that I'm often quite critical and very harsh on urban fantasy/paranormal romance novels. Moreso perhaps than I am on any other genre of books, even science-fiction or straight up fantasy.

When I go into a bookstore or browse online booksellers, the selections I see disappoint me greatly, and I'm frustrated by the current output in urban fantasy/paranormal romance. I firmly believe in Sturgeon's Law (99% of everything is crap), and that goes for books. So there is no genre that is either completely perfect or completely terrible. But right now, as it stands, the UF/PR genre seems to have a higher-than-normal proportion of shitty books.



There's no reason I can think of (outside of marketing and publishing realities) why this should be so. I, as a reader, am desperately hungry to find the kind of tales that this genre could be telling. I am ravenous for tales of the magic and mundane swirling together, showing how ordinary the not-ordinary is, how much is unseen even when we look straight at it. I long for stories of secrets places where there might just be a ghost on the subway or a goddess stuck in traffic. I want to read of unlikely heroes, of people who's greatest magic is not a spell or amulet or super strength, but the abliity to twist and turn and shape themselves around whatever is strange and dangerous and true.

As for paranormal romance? It's like that kid who you know is a genius, but they just won't do their homework so they get D's when they could be acing the class. I am so ready for that really great story about what it would really be like to love someone who is sometimes a wolf or drinks blood and can't touch daylight. I'm ready for someone to show me how amazing it is when love - which is its own super power - can put people together against steep odds. I want to see how you'd make it work with a vampire or a witch or a demon, and why they'd fall in love with a human. Why a human - a smart human with actual self-esteem - would fall in love with them.

I'm ready for an attraction between the magic and the mundane that transcends the "well, he's basically a blood-drinking Abercrombie model and she's wearing leather pants, ta da, it's true love!" I want to read the stories about people who thought they were done with love or couldn't/wouldn't be loved. I want to hear the tales of how sometimes, in the midsts of the worst places, people find and create something spectacular.

Urban Fantasy and Paranormal Romance have some lofty literary parentage. They borrow from SF and Romance, respectively, though you can find dashes of noir and detective fiction and mystery in the mix, the way a kid might have their's uncle's nose or their grandmother's smile.

Romance is a lot of live up to, because some of the greatest cultural works we have stem from that genre. It's something that has permeated into our TV shows, movies, songs. The tales this genre comes out with are important ones. It's also a genre where women writers can stake a claim the way they often can't in other places. In this genre get to talk about life, about love, about how it works (or doesn't), how it hurts, how it isn't easy, and how sometimes life really is exciting. How individual human being spark and shock and fight and fuck and exist so beautifully sometimes even when the rest of the world is ugly. Romance is where we talk about the things that make life worth living. What makes all the boring bits worth it.

Fantasy is all about inventing new things, shining light into dark corners, inventing the place that aren't but making you, the reader, feel as though they're as real as the book in your hands. Fantasy lets us talk about things we can't say openly, it lets us parse our world through alternatives and contrasts and opposites. We can define and even shape what is by talking about what isn't (yet), what can't be, what shouldn't be, what should be.

But these are not the stories being told, these are not what I see when I browse shelves and websites.

What I see staring back at me is a sea of sameness. I see, over and over again, just one tale being told. I see covers that show only one image: the cutoff image of a thin, white, cisgendered, able-bodied, twenty-something woman's body. Her skin is meant to tantalize me somehow, as though it is beaconing me to see what I could imagine myself to be, because of course to be thin, able, white, and twenty is the ideal, this is the body women ought to have when talking about themselves as powerful and free and liberated. Who would want to be PoC, after all? Or disabled? Or fat? Or fifty? What woman in her right mind would see a body of color or a disabled body or a fat body or a transwoman's body an old body and think, "This is a powerful, free body? This is the body of a warrior, a heroine, a person with a tale worth telling?"

I tell myself, "Cover art isn't everything." I think of the examples of bad covers on good books (think Justine Larbalestier's "Liar" or Jaclyn Dolamore's "Magic Under Glass").

Then I open the books, and I find that the covers are not so inaccurate. The tale told to me seems always the same, always a disappointment. The story is told in the first person by the same self-absorbed, conventionally attractive, twenty-something, blandly heterosexual, aggressively cisgendered, emotionally needy white woman. I am expected, as a reader, to sympathize with her because of her shoes or her clothes, of which she speaks often and sometimes at length, never mind if such clothing is usually not made for my body or that I may not even be able to afford such things. Because I identify female and so does she, it is expected that her material possessions will elicit a bond between us.

I am then expected to relate to her ill-considered attraction to an equally conventional, aggressively heterosexual man who's body matches her in it's dominance-affirming perfection. His scars, like hers, are never deforming. I am not supposed to question his actions too much, whether following her home makes him a stalker rather than a lover, whether an immortal creature repeating high school endlessly is not creepy rather than charming. It is my fault as a reader if I examine and analyze this relationship too close, asking rude questions and wondering why they're together or why their relationship - the meeting of two perfect, white, straight, thin, attractive bodies - should matter to this fat reader. Obviously, thin white bodies are of interest to everyone, whatever their size, color, orientation, or ability.

The story told to me winds around, a barely functioning plot that reads like a weakly written episode of a detective show with a witch or a vampire or werewolf thrown in. The heroine's adventure takes usually a week or less and is paced too quickly to be believable, all the while she makes crack and quips designed to be witty but which are never really funny. Clue after obvious clue is laid down, leading to a cardboard villian who seeks to destroy the world or kill the heroine for reasons that are as thin and flimsy as the shirts she wears on the cover. During this plot many friends and allies and even rival suitors appear to woo her, help her, lay down their lives for her cause as though they have none of their own, no lives or responsibilities that might cause them to prioritize other things or themselves above this perfect, enchanted white woman. These minor characters (many of them only PoC, GLBT, PWD, or fat people to be found) are merely smaller bodies that rotate around the gravity well of the heroine, who is more important than all else.

After a scrambling, clumsy battle at the end, the heroine has accomplished her goal and come out intact. She is never killed, never loses a limb, never scarred, never left damaged. She and the Love Interest are closer but here is room left for a sequel so it isn't a perfect "Happily After Ever" and there the tale ends.

I am told by reviewers and book blurbs that these are supposed to be fun stories, that they're supposed to be "sexy", "fun", "wild", "hot", "sizzling", and I wonder - to whom? What if you're bisexual (I am), lesbian, gay, or otherwise queer-identifying? If the story of perfect woman-on-perfect man doesn't excite you, what is the purpose of this book?

And then I wonder where the books for the rest of us are. Where are the urban fantasies and paranormal romances for PoC, PWD, fat people, GLBT folks, or those of us who just want something different, something else? Where are the urban fantasies and paranormal romances for those who have nothing to do with and are nothing like the sea of perfectly sculpted whiteness in front of them?

I know this isn't just the fault of authors writing these things. I know there are a long line of agents, editors, publishers, and marketing professionals who push the material, who push the suspicion that nothing else will sell, who take the giant pool of submissions and select only these things, who press authors to twist around their material. There is no one person to blame, just one terrible system that keeps telling and transmitting this same story. Whether it is profitable for the writers, publishers, editors, and agents involved, it leaves me, the reader, feeling very lonely and disappointed and longing for something more, something else, something different, something better.

[identity profile] corinneduyvis.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 15:57 (UTC)(link)
I tend to lurk more than comment, but I very much feel you here. I think I love the idea of urban fantasy more than how it's often executed.

And I have to say, the more I read of your journal, the more I'd love to read your fiction - so good luck with the agent hunt. It'd be fabulous to have more diverse voices in the genre.

[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 19:28 (UTC)(link)
I think I love the idea of urban fantasy more than how it's often executed.

This, precisely! I still sort of get excited at some of the broad descriptions but then I start reading and I think, "This is way less cool than it sounded."

I hope one day that you do get to read my fiction! And I hope it lives up to your expectations (or exceeds them, because that would be nice!). BTW, your userinfo and journal tell me that you're working on some urban fantasy yourself. Care to share what it's about?

Sorry if I'm prying, I just love to talk shop with other people who are writers and similarly frustrated with the state of the genre. And I also love to hear what they're working on. :)

[identity profile] corinneduyvis.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 19:40 (UTC)(link)
I've got descriptions of my novels here (http://corinneduyvis.blogspot.com/p/novels_19.html). I'm currently querying a light-hearted UF with a half-Latina protagonist, set in Amsterdam, which borrows some of my own experiences with/feelings on my autism (and specifically, family that Doesn't Get It). It pokes some light fun at familiar UF tropes, too - her love interest is utterly human like herself, and she mentions in passing that vampire boyfriends really aren't as much fun as most people think. The cold skin and lack of bloodflow are major turn-offs, and emo just doesn't do it for her.

The novel I'm currently writing is, er, not so much fun. Demonic Stockholm syndrome, family drama, the works. I'm still kind of feeling my way around. Better descriptions of both books are at the link. :)

And no need to apologize for asking at all. I'd love to know more about what you're working on, too!

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I think I love the idea of urban fantasy more than how it's often executed.
THANK YOU. This is generally my feeling about it too--there is so much potential, but so often it's canned into the same blah mold. I keep looking for what's different.

Also, [livejournal.com profile] corinneduyvis, I read your description for "Always Read the Fae Print" and I would SO love to read that! :) Best of luck with the agent hunt.

[identity profile] takumashii.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 17:32 (UTC)(link)
Have you read Caitlin Kiernan? Murder of Angels wasn't a perfect book, but it had impressive prose, a real sense of wonder (and terror), a Vietnamese-American protagonist and a central lesbian relationship. I haven't yet read Dia Reeves's "Bleeding Violet," but the heroine is bipolar and biracial, and it's been getting some very nice reviews.

And I would be remiss in not mentioning Karen Healey's excellent "Guardian of the Dead," which has the first asexual-identifying character I've ever seen in fiction, a fat heroine (who knows martial arts!), and important characters who are Maori and Chinese-Australian, and handles its potential cultural appopriation issues with aplomb.

Sometimes genres get very narrow, when they get down to trying to press the same button over and over again, in this case the Laurell K. Hamilton button and the Charlaine Harris button (and the Stephenie Meyer button, for YA -- I don't think she's really had much influence on the adult market, though I could be wrong.) Secondary-world fantasy went through that in the 90s and I think that's why the market is not so good for it now. And what happens then is that the books that fall outside the narrowest confines of the genre get published by small presses, or they're shelved in 'mainstream,' or they don't get published at all. It takes more aggressive looking to find them, but I think they're out there. More and more I'm not picking books from the SF/Fantasy shelves, but looking for magical-realism stuff and weird fiction on the mainstream shelves.

[identity profile] oneminutemonkey.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 18:54 (UTC)(link)
I just read Guardian of the Dead, and I keep shivering with glee. An asexual character! (glee) A fat heroine who kicks ass but isn't made out to be uber-attractive or fond of leather pants! (glee) Characters of Color (GLEE!) This is one YA that will be getting lots of review love from me, that's for sure.

Rachel Hawkin's Hex Hall, another new YA, has a secondary character who identifies as lesbian - and the main character barely bats an eye, accepting her as a friend right off the bat.

I would love, so very much, to see more non-standard heroes in urban fantasy. When I see the GLBT characters, I cheer. (There's a gay couple in Jenna Black's Morgan Kingsley series that makes it worth reading for me. Jes Battis has an assortment of GLBT characters fleshing out his Night Child series.) When I see the CoC... I -notice- them now. Especially if they're the main characers or at the very least important to the story. When I see the overweight characters, I'm downright thrilled.

I guess I've read enough urban fantasy that so much of it's become a blur, and anything that stands out as different actually stands out.
And I want to see more of the different ... even if I have to write it myself. I want heroes of color, of different orientations, of different body sizes, of different faiths.

(No wonder I've been in a reviewing slump lately. I read urban fantasy but it's become increasingly hard to talk about them when they start to blend together. Sigh.)

Oh... as far as heroines who never get scarred or maimed: you might think of checking out Lucy Snyder's Spellbound, where the heroine sustains some nasty, lasting injuries early on and doesn't get magically cured.

I may have to bookmark this post as an example of what not to do when I get around to writing novel-length urban fantasy.

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[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 19:24 (UTC)(link)
I have Kiernan's book on the list of things to pick up - and thanks for the other recs. They also go on the list of Things To Look For when I get a chance to go bookshopping, which should be relatively soon (yay!). I had heard about Healey writing "Guardian of the Dead" and she spoke about how she wanted to be really careful about appropriation issues and bad covers.

Sometimes genres get very narrow, when they get down to trying to press the same button over and over again, in this case the Laurell K. Hamilton button and the Charlaine Harris button (and the Stephenie Meyer button, for YA -- I don't think she's really had much influence on the adult market, though I could be wrong.)

Exactly this. As far as the question of Meyer, I would say that she is actually the product of influences from the adult market rather than being the source of it. I also think that in a way her wildfire popularity prevents her from being more influential. I think one of the reasons Harris and Hamilton had so much influence was that they sold well, but weren't so popular that anyone similar to them would get called a copycat. Now if someone tried to submit a YA vampire novel that was ANYTHING like Twilight, they'd get rejected, I think.

Though I might disagree with second-world fantasy not being so good for the market right now. I think it depends on the type. But that's a whole other post and discussion.

Can I ask, do you have trouble finding fantastic (in the sense of being fantasy/paranormal) literature that's good on the non-SFF shelves? Years of my own habits have trained me to seek out the SFF section for my speculative needs, but is there elsewhere I should be looking?

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Thanks for drawing my attention to "Guardian of the Dead"--that sounds fabulous! I've put it on my TBR pile right away. :)

[identity profile] baka-kit.livejournal.com 2010-03-27 10:28 (UTC)(link)
but the heroine is bipolar

Having just been diagnosed, that sounds like something I'd like to read!

[identity profile] handyhunter.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 20:14 (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes. I've been feeling very put-out with the paranormal romance/urban fantasy genre for a while now, for the reasons you state. It also made me wary of Buffy comparisons because they'd inevitably be about how the heroine could kick ass, but without much depth. They'd all be 'strong' in the same (physical) way, which I found boring and sometimes problematic.

[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-26 21:45 (UTC)(link)
hey'd all be 'strong' in the same (physical) way, which I found boring and sometimes problematic.

ZOMG, yes! It's very boring when your heroine can just punch through a wall or has inexplicable martial arts skills that she didn't earn and that inevitably get her through every sticky situation. Plus, it makes me uncomfortable that for a heroine to be considered strong she must be physically augmented. Because I don't like the "women are automatically at a physical disadvantage" myth that it feeds into. As though a woman needs the extra strength just to match up. Plus there's some uncomfy ablism vibes there - the idea that perfect/superhuman physical ability is all that matters, as though you can't kick ass if you have a disability. Which is NOT EVEN TRUE. I've always wanted to see what you'd do if you had, say, a Slayer from the Buffyverse who was PWD and how you'd rework the idea of being a Slayer and Slayer powers to go with that.

So, yeah. What you said. Though check the above comments for recs of books (if you haven't already read them) that people are saying are awesome. From what I'm hearing of "Guardian of the Dead", it's definitely worth checking out.

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[identity profile] mercwriter.livejournal.com 2010-03-27 00:06 (UTC)(link)
*nods in general agreement with much of your post*

I want more DIFFERENT in mah urban fantasy. (Personally I'd like to see more MMCs who are also different. Actually... I have a laundry list of things I want to see more of in urban fantasy, including more of a hard line between UF and paranormal romance, because dude, if I want romance, I will LOOK for a romance, m'kay? When I want UF, I want less mush and more action and blowing things up. ;))

... this kinda makes me want to go back to my UF, in which I mess around with a lot of the "conventional" tropes and stereotypes of the subgenre. (Because, shockingly, not everyone in the monster fighting business is white and/or straight.)

(I have a secondary world fantasy to focus on first, though.)

I've now forgotten what I meant to say in the first place, because I was reading the great comments... anyway. Off to see if I can find some of those book recommendations. :)

*putters off to read some more*

[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-27 11:53 (UTC)(link)
Personally I'd like to see more MMCs who are also different.

I would as well, especially if it's an MMC who is, say, of color, PWD, GLBT (well, minus the L) or what not. I think that one thing I get annoyed with is that a lot of female characters feel like the author just projecting themselves, but not any particularly interesting or deep part. And while that might be fun for the author, it's certainly not fun for the reader. Also, I don't want a genre that puts out any "Girls Only" or "Boys Only" signs.

this kinda makes me want to go back to my UF, in which I mess around with a lot of the "conventional" tropes and stereotypes of the subgenre.

DO IT! DO IIIIIIIIIIT! DO IT DO IT DO IT! We so badly need this type of writing that it isn't even funny. You should so totally do it.

I find it funny that you've got a secondary world to focus on before you finish and maybe do some UF. I've got some UF to finish before I move on to a secondary world fantasy that I'm going to work on next. Oh, the ironing!

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The story is told in the first person by the same self-absorbed, conventionally attractive, twenty-something, blandly heterosexual, aggressively cisgendered, emotionally needy white woman. I am expected, as a reader, to sympathize with her because of her shoes or her clothes, of which she speaks often and sometimes at length, never mind if such clothing is usually not made for my body or that I may not even be able to afford such things. Because I identify female and so does she, it is expected that her material possessions will elicit a bond between us.

Yes. This. You also reminded me that often times these heroines are frequently able to afford or in the very least covet (from the perspective of potentially one day owning) x brand of stilettos, or some other material object, and that this classist bias is consistent throughout the genre. (I especially appreciated your point that's it's in part an attempt to create a bond with the female reader.) Even if they're portrayed as being "poor," they still manage to materialize guns or other weaponry, which would cost a small fortune to obtain legally OR illegally, and do not mention how they were able to do so.

I recently posted on urban fantasy, actually--it's in the context of Phillip Palmer's article on whether urban fantasy is all about sex, but there's also some discussion on UF as a genre, especially in the comments.
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[personal profile] littlebutfierce 2010-03-27 09:03 (UTC)(link)
I have some... issues... w/Patricia Briggs, but one of the things I like about her Mercy Thompson books is that Mercy is a mechanic & frequently worried about money, & IIRC at some points in the books some potential shapeshifter/vampire adventure will come up & she'll be like, "Dammit, I can't AFFORD to shut the garage & go traipsing off for 3 days w/o working!"

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This. You also reminded me that often times these heroines are frequently able to afford or in the very least covet (from the perspective of potentially one day owning) x brand of stilettos, or some other material object, and that this classist bias is consistent throughout the genre.

Yes, yes, yes, this. I hadn't considered that, but it is something that is completely true. And it's also completely annoying because it's a very subtle sign that not all readers should feel welcome or able to relate to a heroine in that text, because it's a way of flaunting wealth or at least class status, and there's no need for that.

Also, why are all vampires very rich? No one ever explains what it is that these vampires do to cultivate such wealth that they live in mansions and can do as they please. Don't vampires need jobs, too?

I saw the post, btw. Great post! When I get around to getting over to DW (I'm still trying to hammer out my layout over there), I am so subscribing! :)

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[identity profile] baka-kit.livejournal.com 2010-03-27 10:25 (UTC)(link)
I love you!

This is what I'm working with, what I'm trying to do. Why I changed City of Sun and Darkness from first person to third. (And that was an education; stripped of the I and me, Shannon was boring.)

It's still not perfect and I don't think it could be. Shannon's still white and 22 and I can't make myself think of size 16 as fat no matter how many times the fashion industry tells me it is. But she dresses modestly and generally unobtrusively and has no tattoos because she's Jewish (even if she doesn't keep Kosher because she likes her Big Macs too much).

But anyway.

Rewriting it into third person -- taking Shannon out of the center of the universe -- is making the story a lot stronger. It's not just Shannon moving the plot, it's this orrey of intersecting plot-orbits and how they all interact with each other.

[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-27 13:57 (UTC)(link)
Well, the thing is, I have nothing inherently against a white/twenty-something female main lead. After all, such folks do exist and it sounds like you're doing a good job of rounding out the character and of adding some actual culture and history behind her.

I find a lot of the protagonists in UF have no culture because apparently being white means you're acultural, that you're not an ethnic group, that you're "normal" and everyone else is "ethnic".

Do you mind if I voice a slight hestitation I had when I read your description? I say this this is as a fat person, and I understand that descriptions can be completely deceiving and maybe it reads different in your draft. But (there's always a but). When I see a fat/overweight/larger-sized character that is portrayed to love a certain food that is considered a "junk" or "bad" food, I often wince because it's a landmine for us larger folks, especially fat women or fat women who are of color, disabled, etc - because society increasingly polices your body as intersectionality comes into play.

One thing that fat people are often accused of is being fat simply because all they do is eat huge, gluttonous, unhealthy meals and don't exercise. When we go out to restaurants, people make comments on what we eat. I've had this happen. People feel that their job is to concern-troll my nutritional needs.

Thing is? I eat a 1200 calorie diet and walk/jog 4 miles every morning. Haven't lost that much weight (but have drastically improved my health), but because of my size, people assume I sit home eating big macs all day and watching day time TV. Even when I don't.

Again, it depends on how you write it and how it's laid out in the book. But that was just my initial reservation when seeing that part.

That said, it sounds like a really fascinating book and I'd love to read it some day.

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[identity profile] kitrona.livejournal.com 2010-03-28 10:28 (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Butcher's Dresden Files? I'm currently reading them, and I find them intriguing because a. Harry worries about money, b. his love interest is actually somewhat realistic, c. during the adventures, he actually GETS TIRED (which I've found missing in some UF), and d. he does things for stupid but noble reasons, but he KNOWS they're stupid.

Another good series I've found, though it still doesn't address the lack of diversity re: sexual orientation and skin color, is Seanan McGuire's Toby Daye series. The pacing is frenetic, but Toby is likable, wears sensible shoes, gets tired, makes mistakes... I just generally really enjoy them, though of course nothing is without flaws.

Also, thank you for this entry. I plan to read it again when I'm actually awake, and definitely plan to go through the comments for book recs. :)

[identity profile] fiction-theory.livejournal.com 2010-03-28 12:18 (UTC)(link)
I reviewed the first Dresden book, "Storm Front (http://fiction-theory.livejournal.com/145640.html#cutid1) last year. It wasn't the best thing I'd ever read, but not the worst. My husband liked the series more than I did and he's read almost all the books (which he got from his brother. I married into a family of geeks and it's GORGEOUS).

I did note the things you mentioned, especially that his first person narration is, like, 60% less grating than most UF books, so there's that. I think I was a bit spoiled for the books by the TV show because I really loved the TV show.

I'm glad you liked the post! And definitely check those recs. Healey's Guardian of the Dead has now found a place on my "Run, Don't Walk To Find This" list, and I'm definitely going to try to find Kiernan's "Murder of Angels" at my first opportunity.

One thing I really love about posts like this is that it gives us a chance to not just talk about what flops, but about the gems we've found along the way and share that information with others.

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[identity profile] zahrawithaz.livejournal.com 2010-03-29 16:58 (UTC)(link)
I'm not particularly familiar with urban fantasy or paranormal romance (though I think I read a lot of books that are on the edge of or maybe in the genre), but I wanted to let you know how much I appreciated this post, and the comments, which are utterly full of win. I think a lot of what you have to say applies to other genres, especially those that are somehow built or premised on escapism, and the flattening of all of us to this one white/cis/owner-class/straight/thin norm in this context is very disturbing.

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PS. Forget to say, here via glassicarus's rec.

[identity profile] glass-icarus.livejournal.com 2010-03-29 17:16 (UTC)(link)
Here via the flist, and... yeah. I'm not as into urban fantasy as I am SF/F, but you've nailed the exact things that have kept me from jumping in wholeheartedly. (Which, admittedly, are true for SF/F as well, except that I'd already taken the leap for those.)

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[identity profile] ruffwriter.livejournal.com 2010-03-30 03:12 (UTC)(link)
Thanks so much for this. ♥ I'm an unpublished writer currently shopping my urban fantasy story to agents, and if there's one thing I learned, it's that on an agent's submission guidelines, they'll say they're looking for "urban fantasy" and they actually mean "paranormal romance between two self-absorbed Abercrombie and Fitch models."

But your post reminded me of what great potential the genre has, and as you said, how fascinating stories are when they explore "how sometimes, in the midsts of the worst places, people find and create something spectacular." Here's hoping for a different, wildly popular book that will open the floodgates for all the other voices we've been craving.
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Cheers for this post

[identity profile] jazzypom.livejournal.com 2010-04-02 14:38 (UTC)(link)
I've always had this (up until now) unknown hatred for such novels and yes, this is it. Cheers.